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Mini-module LZWSM16-1 Zigbee no neutral - light control through the box without neutral wire

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  • Zigbee module in an open box, with visible technical specifications. .
    The LZWSM16-1 is a single Zigbee-controlled 'relay' module measuring 39x39x20mm, it works with a classic switch and does not require a neutral wire to operate, so it will probably find its place in many a box. The whole thing normally works with the manufacturer's gateway, but it is also supported by Zigbee2MQTT, so you can pair it with Home Assistant.
    In our country, this gadget costs around £50.
    We receive a box like this:
    Box of Avatto LZWSM16-1 product on wooden background Back of the LZWSM16-1 relay module box with technical specifications. A box with a printed barcode lying on a wooden surface. Zigbee switch module LZWSM16-1 in a white box. .
    This black component is a capacitor, also referred to as an "adapter" by vendors - I don't know why, I don't like this name. The instructions explain where it is fitted:
    User manual for Zigbee relay module LZWSM16-1. Zigbee switch module LZWSM16-1 user manual on a table. User manual for Zigbee module LZWSM16-1 with wiring diagrams. User manual for Zigbee switch module. .
    So, we connect according to the instructions and pair.


    I have the Home Assistant set up according to a theme from a few years ago, but obviously updated:
    Home Assistant tutorial - configuration, WiFi, MQTT, Zigbee, Tasmota
    Zigbee2MQTT I also updated:
    How do I update Zigbee2MQTT Home Assistant to the latest version? Unsupported device? .
    If necessary, we reset the device according to the instructions, in HA we make sure that pairing is enabled.
    The device appears in our list:
    Zigbee2MQTT device list showing various models and manufacturers. .
    From this point on, we can already see its data:
    Configuration page of Zigbee device TS0011 in software. .
    And we can control the relay remotely.
    Zigbee relay control panel in the software. .
    Of course, automation can also be based on this - e.g. switching this switch triggers another switch.
    Configuration interface for automation in Home Assistant. .
    HA sees this product as TS0011.
    Brief presentation:


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    Of course, the old, classic switch can also be connected - then changing its state changes the state of the lamp.

    Interior of LZWSM16-1 .
    Just out of curiosity, this is not needed to pair with Home Assistant. Let's undermine the catches.
    Close-up of the bottom side of a printed circuit board labeled MK-ZD1-001, version 1.3, featuring various electronic components. Close-up of the LZWSM16-1 module's printed circuit board. Close-up of the PCB of the LZWSM16-1 module. .
    PCB designation: MK-ZD1-001, data 20230105 V1.3
    On the board I can see so far a rectifier bridge and an AMS1117-3.3V LDO regulator....
    PCB inside Zigbee module with electronic components View inside the Zigbee LZWSM16-1 module with electronic components. Close-up of the Zigbee LZWSM16-1 module PCB with capacitors and other electronic components. Electronic module with visible capacitors, integrated circuits, and markings. Close-up of the LZWSM16-1 module's circuit board with visible electronic components. .
    The other side of the PCB is much more interesting. There is no relay here! Well, basically, it was already clear from the label itself that this is not implemented on a relay, as evidenced by the maximum load of up to 100W. The whole thing is based on a BTA16-800 triac controlled by an EL3023 optotriac. I was also interested in this fuse - why is it on such long wires? Apart from that, inside I see something that resembles a step-down converter, but I haven't analysed it thoroughly. The module itself inside is a ZTU (32bit CPU, 1024KB flash , 64KB RAM), or Zigbee from Tuya:
    Diagram of the ZTU module with Zigbee. .
    The module format reminds me of the CBU on the BK7231N and I have seen similar products (equivalents of the one on WiFi) based just on the CBU, the rest were similarly built.

    Summary .
    Basically I was expecting just this type of design in the middle. It is often found in solutions operating without a neutral wire connection, plugged into the phase wire itself. Also by the sheer power of the load (up to 100W) you can see that this is not just a simple relay.
    It is also worth mentioning how the old switch works with this product - just as, without this module, a switch would, for example, indicate light on in one position and light off in the other, here the mere act of changing the state of the switch switches the product to the opposite state. It is unlikely to be possible otherwise, as it can be switched both remotely, with a button on the housing, and with an old switch....
    Do you use solutions that do not require a neutral wire, and if so, Zigbee or WiFi versions? .
    PS: Recently someone on the forum was looking for a module that doesn't make a switching (relay) sound - and here is just such a module. 100% silent operation.

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  • #2 21506592
    LA72
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    A device without N, and they did without a capacitor?

    Double white light switch and a switch with two wires without a capacitor. .
    LSPS5 device with capacitor next to it.
    Close-up of a small electronic board with two red CBB22 capacitors rated at 400V. .
    Close-up of electronic components on a circuit board, including an NTC thermistor, a resistor, and capacitors. .
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  • #3 21506596
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    There is a capacitor included, you can even see it in one of the photos, only it is black and the lighting just happened to be low.

    Where did you buy the LSPS5 you showed? Is it also on a BK7231? It was already on the forum:
    Switch LSPS5 (BK7231N) restarts when button 1 is switched - problem with dr board .

    I ask because we had a question in another topic about some on/off switch (not dimmer) what doesn't make noise: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic4103835-30.html#21500887
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  • #4 21506602
    LA72
    Level 41  
    >>21506596 .
    As it happens in my case, aliexpress.

    Here the single button version.
    Switch enclosure and printed circuit board. .
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  • #5 21506611
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    This is exactly what colleague @omaxp was looking for in the linked thread . Do you happen to have a copy of the BK7231 batch?

    Although I have now checked .... and the LSPS5 is already on the Electrode list:
    https://openbekeniot.github.io/webapp/devicesList.html
    Three photos of Tuya LSPS5 wall switches without a neutral wire, showing different variants (three, two, and one gang). .
    I don't think much has changed inside, I see there was an LSPS5CBAV1.0 version in 2022 and you have LSPS5CBAV1.1
    https://www.elektroda.com/rtvforum/topic3934363.html#gallery-8
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  • #6 21508458
    bonhart
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    I was thinking of buying the LZWSM16-w2 but I can't find anywhere whether it supports "decouple mode".
    This refers to a mode in which the switch is independent of the triac control circuit (the switch only generates an event, which can then be independently processed to change the state of the triac)
    Does your model have such a mode?
    I mean something like Aqara has:
    https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/LLKZMK12LM...ndpoint)-,Decoupled%20mode,-for%201st%20relay
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  • #7 21508529
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    I didn't see the decoupled mode there in TS0011, on my "exposes" screen shot it's not there either, and people are having this problem too:
    https://community.home-assistant.io/t/tuya-zigbee-switch-module-ts0011/748149/5
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Topic summary

The discussion centers on the LZWSM16-1, a compact Zigbee relay module (39x39x20mm) designed for light control without requiring a neutral wire, compatible with classic switches. It is typically used with the manufacturer's gateway but also supports Zigbee2MQTT for integration with Home Assistant. The module includes a black capacitor component, often misnamed as an "adapter," which is essential for its operation without a neutral wire. Users shared images and confirmed the presence of this capacitor. The module is priced around £50 locally. Additional conversation touched on related devices such as the LSPS5 switch based on the BK7231N chip, noting versions LSPS5CBAV1.0 and LSPS5CBAV1.1, and their availability on AliExpress. A question was raised about the LZWSM16-w2 variant supporting "decoupled mode," a feature allowing the switch to operate independently from the triac control circuit, similar to Aqara devices. However, it was noted that the TS0011 (a related Zigbee switch module) does not support decoupled mode, as confirmed by Home Assistant community reports.
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