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RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

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  • #151 13297181
    sb8gapi
    Level 14  
    According to however, a USB 2.0 port is required for this page.

    http://superkuh.com/rtlsdr.html

    "The highest safe sample rate is 2.4 MS / s but in some situations up to 3.2 MS / s works without dropping samples. For the data transfer mode USB 2 is required, 1.1 won't work. USB 3 ports, for some unknown reason , are best for sample rates higher than 2.4 MS / s. "
    It has already been mentioned on this topic.
    Serwis1 wrote:

    3. The computer must have a minimum USB 2.0 processor with at least 1.2GHz
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  • #152 13319310
    l0ud
    Level 14  
    Hello forum members and please help :) ,

    I bought a receiver containing RTL2832U and R820T from this website:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/PAL-IEC-Input-...eiver-Wholesale-Free-Shipping/1128993167.html

    I looked inside and in fact, this Realtek and tuner are sitting there.

    I used the sdr-install script to download everything. The drivers - I think - were installed without any problems using the zadig.

    SDR Sharp starts and starts receiving normally when RTL-SDR / USB is selected.

    The good news ends there :(

    Either I am doing something wrong or this receiver is completely deaf? I test it on the included, small antenna, but having a radio with a clean short cable at 102.9 MHz next to it, I expected to see any signal on this frequency.

    And it looks like this:
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

    However I set the frequency, there is always this weird pin in the middle and virtually no other signals (after listening to the 'pin' there is silence). I checked the antenna included in the kit with an ohmmeter: it seems to have no problems such as broken wire or shorted to ground.

    Am I doing something wrong or maybe I got a slapped card?

    best regards
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  • #153 13319582
    sb8gapi
    Level 14  
    Tommy82 wrote:
    On VHF, he even picks it up on his finger.
    I would check the antenna cable first, especially if you have a Chinese cable, a grommet or an original antenna. Some antennae have a hair-thick hot vein concentrate, and it's not hard to break it

    This topic has been discussed many times, so just read this topic.
    At the beginning, I would check if the tuner is functional and if it receives DVB-T digital TV, preferably on an external antenna.
  • #154 13319590
    l0ud
    Level 14  
    I installed the default drivers and software and doesn't seem to find any program :( . The antenna is definitely OK, because the stationary tuner receives no problem.
  • #155 13319726
    sb8gapi
    Level 14  
    Please uninstall the drivers installed by Zadiag as DVB-T cannot be received on them.
    Control Panel -> Device manager -> libusb (Win usb) devices -> (Bulk-In Interface (Interface 0))
    https://obrazki.elektroda.pl/8636425700_1390579977.jpg

    Reboot the computer without the USB tuner on the computer.
    Installing the driver from the CD included with the tuner (newer systems - Windows 7 and 8 should install the appropriate driver themselves - it should be in Sound, video and game controllers. My name is: DVBT / DAB TV Stick, but the name may be different depending on the model tuner.)
    Sometimes I had a problem with the app that came with the tuner, but it is possible to check the DVB-T reception after installing the drivers in VLC.

    https://obrazki.elektroda.pl/54_1275560990.png
  • #156 13319842
    l0ud
    Level 14  
    I couldn't permanently remove these installed drivers (they just kept coming back). I simply replaced the driver in the world with this one from realtek.

    At the moment it looks like this:
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

    After trying the 658000Khz and 666000Khz frequencies (it seems that the antenna is aimed at Sławobór or Koszalin), VLC is silent. The included Presto PVR program also found nothing ...
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  • #157 13329294
    sb8gapi
    Level 14  
    Looks like a broken tuner. I suggest checking for 100% certainty on another computer or with a friend.
    The aforementioned Presto PVR makes it possible to receive FM radio (88-108 MHz).
    Does it also search for radio stations?
    A working tuner should easily receive DVB-T digital TV and VHF radio stations, and after installing the driver for SDR by Zadig, there is also the reception of different frequencies in HDSDR or SDR Sharp, or other SDR program working with the tuner on RTL2832U.
  • #158 13333858
    zabex
    Level 22  
    Col. l0ud first of all, please show what the tuner settings look like after clicking the "Configure" button in SDR # or just click and set the gain, preferably immediately on "Tuner AGC"
    When it comes to this (as he called it) "pin", select "Correct IQ" and read how the software receivers work and a colleague will find out where it comes from.
    Please do not compare the sensitivity of this receiver to an ordinary "FM radio" because it will always be smaller, especially on the original "pseudo" antenna.

    PS By the way, I will ask (since my friend was already taking apart his dongle) what kind of tuner system is in it?
  • #159 13355123
    Tomekddd
    Level 23  
    Hello, what tuner do you recommend? I need an inexpensive and reasonably good to work with android. I want it to receive the CB band.

    Greetings Tomek
  • #160 13356091
    lysy1980
    Level 33  
    And what can be recommended here is to have an RTL2832U and a tuner type E4000, R820T, FC0013 or FC0012 on board - the reception range and sensitivity of a given type of tuner can be read on the network. And by whom it should be branded because, for example, you want to have the Not Only or NewSky brands or some SPC, it is your choice depending on the size of your wallet.
  • #161 13371897
    hadron-collider
    Level 10  
    Hello,
    Has anyone tried to insert a converter on the input to listen for signals from routers and cameras (WI-FI) on 2.4 GHZ? We have had some disruptions for a long time and our laptops / iPads often lose coverage. This is very annoying, for example, when watching YouTube videos or other streams. Opposite, on the roof of the block, there is a mobile phone transmitter, which I think may be the main cause of our problems. However, I would like to be 100% sure before I submit the matter to the communications office. Therefore, I could use an SDR in this regard. Then I will gather evidence and a general view of the disturbances in my neighborhood. Very interesting topic by the way, I have already ordered a few USB tuners and we will experiment. For all my best regards to all insiders :P
  • #162 13371917
    Tommy82
    Level 41  
    At 2.4 GHz there is a lot of rubbish, the wifi networks themselves can be interfered with, first check how many networks you have in the area and on what channels.
    In addition, wireless telephones, various electronic nannies, remote controls, wireless transmitters of this and that, including toys used by amateur electronics, and so on.

    http://blog.cyberexplorer.me/2014/01/sniffing-and-decoding-nrf24l01-and.html
  • #163 13371931
    lysy1980
    Level 33  
    Building a converter is unlikely to be profitable
    http://www.metageek.net/products/wi-spy/

    At work, from the place where I am currently writing, I have about 80-100m hanging on it LTE, UMTS, GSM and they hung something that week additionally (I do not want to take photos of what else is hanging there) and nothing disturbs anyone WiFi. next to me I have a link on 5Ghz on Ubiquiti + a second link on Mikrotik and APka on 2.4Ghz and nothing breaks me or other users, look for a problem at home.
  • #164 13373341
    hadron-collider
    Level 10  
    I have been looking for a reason in myself for 4 years. I already had 6 different routers, I changed the internet provider 4 times. Unfortunately, there are still disturbances. This is something like periodic bursts (some unknown short duration transmissions?). 90% of the day is ok, but when he breaks once, for the next 5-15 minutes it is impossible to connect and see anything on youtube. Unless I will be with my laptop a few centimeters from the router, but it can also lose the signal.

    Here is a video of an SDR fan showing off all their toys. Among other things, 2.4 GHZ dongle from a wireless camera, so you can probably listen in this band using a PC software:



  • #165 13373390
    Tommy82
    Level 41  
    Your neighbor infuses you on the cordless phone ;)
  • #167 13385013
    sb8gapi
    Level 14  
    bogi wrote:


    The better sensitivity is due to the higher signal level from the generator on the mixer. The internal circuit (leg 8) with quartz works as a generator, but the external generator connected to it makes it a repeater (an amplifier with a low gain). Hence the greater signal on the mixer. If you would make a separate quartz generator, e.g. on one transistor, and connect it to the system, you would also notice better sensitivity.


    I would like to clarify the answer of my friend "gods". The sensitivity does not depend on the generator.
    I built some converters on TA7358AP (LA1185) and noticed the following relationship.
    At the beginning I had one converter with a 50 MHz quartz generator and another with a 40 MHz quartz resonator. There was more sensitivity on the one with the generator, as I wrote. Only then did I not know what it depends on.
    After several days of testing with various generators and quartz resonators, I came to the following conclusions:
    The frequency of the generator was 10 MHz higher than the frequency of the quartz resonator, so it was therefore more sensitive
    But it is not greater because there is a generator in the circuit, only the sensitivity depends on the frequency of the used resonator or quartz generator. It does not matter much for the sensitivity whether the converter circuit uses a generator or a resonator only its frequency. The lower the frequency of the resonator or generator (of the same frequency), the lower the sensitivity, and the higher the frequency of the generator or quartz resonator, the greater the sensitivity.
    I tested resonators and generators at frequencies from 25 MHz - to 50 MHz - for 25 MHz the sensitivity is very low, the converter only picks up very strong stations.
    for 40 MHz it is much higher, for 50 MHz it is even higher (as shown in the attached screenshots).

    The best results were obtained for the frequency of 40 MHz (optimal ratio of sensitivity and gain) and when there was a quartz resonator in the converter circuit.
    At 50 MHz, the sensitivity is higher, but also the interference is greater. I was not able to buy a quartz resonator with two terminals and used it with three, and therefore the SDR Sharp in Shift has -50 038 500, because it has two more capacitors connected to the center terminal in a common housing with quartz.

    Updated on April 20, 2014

    I bought 50 MHz SMD quartz resonators and for TA7358 for Shift 50 MHz it was necessary to connect a 20-40pF variable capacitor in series with the resonator to adjust (may not be needed, but it depends on the specific IC and manufacturer).

    Generator 40 MHz PR I 225 kHz RF Gain 0 dB
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

    Generator 40 MHz PR I 225 kHz RF Gain 28 dB
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

    Resonator 40 MHz PR I 225 kHz RF Gain 0 dB
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

    Resonator 40 MHz PR I 225 kHz RF Gain 28 dB
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

    Generator 50 MHz PR I 225 kHz RF Gain 0 dB
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

    Generator 50 MHz PR I 225 kHz RF Gain 28 dB
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

    50 MHz PR I 225 kHz resonator RF Gain 0 dB
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector

    Rezonator 50 MHz PR I 225 kHz RF Gain 28 dB
    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector
  • #168 13398323
    hadron-collider
    Level 10  
    Maybe the schematic of this converter? What antenna did you use? , maybe from an old ferrite radio?
  • #169 13398966
    sb8gapi
    Level 14  
    The diagrams are in this topic. Just search.

    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2353101-90.html#13074010
    and
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2353101-90.html#13135481
    (for the version with a resonator, the first schematic remained, only the quartz resonator was connected directly to pin 8 of the integrated circuit and to ground).
    The antenna is mainly from CB Radio, but I have an antenna with removable radiators for specific bands. Built according to this idea, with the difference that the CB UHF square mounting socket
    https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=t...MLJ6jOYNksbQdiZ30_qBGovR-p3AecxkGVfqX-cv-Z_6q
    it is mounted with the thread upwards, and the radiator is soldered to the plug of the UC1 UHF PLUG on the RG58 cable and the hole from the side of the radiator is covered with epoxy glue. The heater is a copper wire with a diameter of 3 mm.

    http://www.radio-sklep.pl/userdata/gfx/7e88d8541eb5d350e7de8a229fd41cfd.jpg

    Then each radiator is soldered to the CB plug, which makes it possible to quickly change it to the required band.
    I calculated the length with ANTENIAK:

    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1911433.html

    Antenna Design Page:
    http://websterling.com/tsro/apt/

    I have just given the example of Polish Radio PR I, because this frequency is commonly known. The reception is carried out on a few meters of the cable hanging on the balcony of the block on the 10th floor (similar reception on the CB antenna, but lower signal level due to an inadequate antenna).
    Unfortunately, at the moment I cannot hang another antenna. But I'm going to build.
    I did not check on the ferrite antenna.
  • #170 13402390
    Serwis1

    Level 23  
    In order not to make several antennas and translate them, I will suggest that you can use meter telescopes instead of a wire
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  • #171 13402492
    sb8gapi
    Level 14  
    Telescopic antennas can be used, but in my opinion they are less weatherproof than wire. You have to hide them when not in use. I have one radiator with a length of about 60 cm. The advantage is that you can adjust the length according to your needs. I just chose the solution I described, but there are plenty of them. It all depends on the materials and creativity you have.

    Out of curiosity, I checked the reception on the converter and the ferrite antenna from the old receiver, even connected a capacitor from the receiver to obtain resonance, but I was unable to receive Program One at 225 kHz. You need at least a single-stage amplifier on a transistor, because the signal is too weak.
  • #172 13402994
    Serwis1

    Level 23  
    I also made antennas from pex 15 pipes, which I had various scraps from the construction site, to connect the cable, just screw a sheet metal screw or debark the top plastic with a knife to get to the aluminum. I have antennas in the attic (ceramic roof)
    The only problem I have is "introducing" the signal to the home network made on the 9/8 multiswitch, it seems that some bands that interest me (140-175) are suppressed either by the receiving sockets or by this multiswitch (opticum)
  • #173 13510921
    Lonek
    Level 19  
    I must also ask for help.
    I have a tuner with RTL2832U and R820T - Win7 / 64bit
    I installed drv from the board and in Device Manager I have this:
    - in 'Other devices' Bulk-In, Interface with an exclamation mark icon
    - in 'Sound, video and game controllers' REALTEK 2832U Device

    The DVB-T tuner works with the 'TotalMedia3.5' program and receives TV approx

    I have several versions of SDR, i.e. 1000,1114,1173,1193
    After running e.g. ver. I set the frequency of the FM radio 1193 and nothing happens but noise
    - in the window I have "Other (sound card)" set
    When I set RTL-SDR / USB, I get a window-message that "RTL-SDR / USB is eiter not connected or its driver is not working properly"

    In 'Zadic' ver. 2.1.0 should I click "Instal driver"? [[Will DVB-T still work after this installation? ]]
    - in the window with the drop-down MENU I have 'Bulk-In, Interface (Interface1) '
    and the USB ID is 0BDA 2838 01

    What is "Install WCID driver"?



    And a request, someone can insert a screen with a working FM radio, for example, I would like to see all the settings in this program as they should be.
  • #174 13510965
    lysy1980
    Level 33  
    Yes you have in "Zadig" click "Install Driver" to receive using SDR programs. You will not be able to use DVB-T and SDR at the same time, although it depends on the tuner, in other cases the tuner can be modified so that it will work as SDR only in the USB port where the drivers were installed with the Zadig program, in others as a DVB-T receiver .
  • #175 13511071
    Lonek
    Level 19  
    lysy1980 wrote:
    Yes you have in "Zadig" click "Install Driver" to receive using SDR programs. You will not be able to use DVB-T and SDR at the same time, although it depends on the tuner, in other cases the tuner can be modified so that it will work as SDR only in the USB port where the drivers were installed with the Zadig program, in others as a DVB-T receiver .


    Thanks buddy for the quick reply but
    I clicked 'Install Driver' installed - the tooltip disappeared and the dongle is now in the 'Uniwersal serial Bus device' as 'Bulk-In, Interface (Interface1)', however after clicking on SDR in the drop-down box after selecting RTL-SDR / USB the same message pops up about the error?

    I will add that the DVB-T tuner stopped working and changing the USB port did not change anything
  • #176 13511327
    lysy1980
    Level 33  
    Remove the drivers (device) in the device manager, take out and reinsert the tuner. Have the system install the RTL2832U driver automatically, then run Zadig, preferably version 1.1.1.139. From the drop-down list, select the device that has VID and PID as you specified earlier and click Install Driver before selecting Target WINUSB. If there is no device with these VID and PID listed, select List All Devices from the Options menu.
    The SHARP SDR installer is attached. The same screenshot as the tuner should look like in the device manager.

    The fact that DVB-T does not work when you install the driver for SDR reception is the norm in most tuners.

    RTL-SDR - an SDR receiver from a cheap DVB-T tuner on a USB connector
  • #177 13511679
    Lonek
    Level 19  
    lysy1980 wrote:
    Remove the drivers (device) in the device manager, take out and reinsert the tuner. Have the system install the RTL2832U driver automatically, then run Zadig, preferably version 1.1.1.139. From the drop-down list, select the device that has VID and PID as you specified earlier and click Install Driver before selecting Target WINUSB. If there is no device with these VID and PID listed, select List All Devices from the Options menu.
    The SHARP SDR installer is attached. The same screenshot as the tuner should look like in the device manager.

    The fact that DVB-T does not work when you install the driver for SDR reception is the norm in most tuners.



    As I wrote above, I have this device twice:

    - in 'Other Devices' Bulk-In, Interface with an exclamation mark icon
    - in the 'Sound, video and game controllers' REALTEK 2832U Device

    which one should I uninstall?

    How I uninstalled REALTEK 2832U Device and after inserting the dongle again, after starting in Zadig there is nothing on the list :-( ?

    How I uninstalled 'Bulk-In ...........' is the same
    I uninstalled both and there are still no devices in Zadig? both are installed in the Device Manager and are visible.
  • #179 13512005
    Lonek
    Level 19  
    Sorry - but I don't know what you mean :-(

    But nothing - something moved!

    I did this:
    -I uninstalled both devices
    -I manually deleted all libraries from the System32 / drivers directory
    - I pulled out the USB dongle
    -restart paw
    -l put on the dongle
    -installed 'Bulk-In, Interface (Interface0)' and 'Bulk-In, Interface (Interface1)'
    -I started the SDR and started catching something

    so far - thanks * lysy1980 [I wanted to give 'He helped' but I don't have this option ?? ]
  • #180 13512281
    lysy1980
    Level 33  
    I meant that.
    lysy1980 wrote:
    If there is no device with these VID and PID listed, select List All Devices from the Options menu.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the use of RTL-SDR (Software Defined Radio) receivers, specifically utilizing inexpensive DVB-T tuners like the RTL2832U and R820T models. Users share experiences regarding the capabilities of these tuners to receive a wide range of frequencies, including AM, FM, and shortwave bands. Concerns about potential damage to the tuners when connecting antennas directly to the RTL2832 chip are raised, along with suggestions for protective measures such as using diodes. Various software options for SDR, including SDR# and HDSDR, are discussed, along with installation issues and driver compatibility. Users also explore antenna options, modifications for improved reception, and the effectiveness of different setups for receiving signals across various bands.
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