Bosch Condenser Tumble Dryer: Comparing WTW85460PL Heat Pump Model and Conventional Options

Hello
I am planning to buy a dryer. I mainly care about:
-energy saving (class A +++);
-reliability;
-inverter motor;
- less wrinkled clothes after drying;
-it must have a lot of drying programs, including "Outdoor";
-additional basket for drying wool, shoes;
- capacity 9 kg;
- humidity sensor;
-self-cleaning heat exchanger.

I do not need goodies such as: smartphone control, setting the drying time, etc.
It should be a condenser dryer with a heat pump and steam functions.
I am earmarked for the purchase of up to PLN 3,500. Is there any specific model that stands out in this amount?
I was thinking about the SIEMENS WQ33G2CXPL model. Is it a good choice or will I find something better in this amount?
Does anyone use the Amica AD2C93KiStVAD model? Maybe it's not worth overpaying?
I am asking for help and suggestions

When it comes to dryers and failure-free operation, it is rather hard because it is the most susceptible equipment to failure of all household appliances. It is not worth paying a fortune for one plus more, it will never pay back, unless the dryer would work for 20 years And this is impossible with everyday use I personally recommend electrolux, which I am almost 4 years old and which is used very intensively.

Dorilll wrote:

When it comes to dryers and failure-free operation, it is rather hard because it is the most susceptible to failure of all household appliances.

Dryers without a heat pump operate without failure for decades, and in simple models, when a failure occurs, it is easy and cheap to remove.

Thank you very much for drying things at 80 degrees, where I wash most of them at 30 degrees I had to deal with one and for the treasures of the world I would not return, I would probably come back to the rope and buckles sooner ...

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The more so as the price of dryers with a pump has dropped significantly and it is not an expense of 3-4 thousand. For 2,000 we already have good equipment.

Dorilll wrote:

For drying things In 80 degrees, where most feathers at 30, thank you, I had to deal with one and for the treasures of the world, I would not come back, I would probably come back to the rope and buckles sooner ...

Proof of such claims, please.

jonaszsz4 wrote:

I was thinking about the SIEMENS WQ33G2CXPL model

If it meets your requirements, buy it.

jonaszsz4 wrote:

Does anyone use the Amica AD2C93KiStVAD model? Maybe it's not worth overpaying?

Purebred Chinese.

Jonah, just check if you buy Siemens if it is not hot. Bosche and Siemens have many models that dry at a much higher temperature than other heat pump dryers ... the drum in such a dryer should be only lukewarm at every stage of drying, never hot ... greetings

Dorilll wrote:

Jonah, just check if you buy a Siemens if it is not hot. Bosch and Siemens have many models that dry at a much higher temperature than other heat pump dryers ... the drum in such a dryer should only be lukewarm at every stage of drying, never hot ... greetings

Also check the drying time. You can compare with the chart number 30 from this website: https://jackiewiczowie.blogspot.com/2014/10/zuzycie-pradu-przez-urzadzenia-domowe-i.html

And keep an eye on the warranty, because some Siemens devices will not live to the end of the three-year warranty.

From your answers it appears that Siemens will not be the best choice. I understand that it's hard to trouble-free when it comes to heat pump dryers. I just misspelled the requirements. Maybe it's not so much about reliability as about the brand itself. Which company shines in the production of dryers, ie which companies will be the most "sure". From what I read a lot of people buy Electrolux. Or maybe other companies: Bosch, LG, Samsung, AEG? I also found such a dryer: HAIER I-Pro 7 HD90-A3979-S. I just like it, I don't know what kind of company it is. Anyone use a Haier device? There may be a capacity of 8 kg - I have a washing machine.
Electrolux EW7H578SP, Electrolux EW9H378SP PerfectCare? Only they do not have steam functions.

jonaszsz4 wrote:

which companies will be the most "sure"

The most reliable are the devices from the Bosch / Siemens family.

jonaszsz4 wrote:

I also found such a dryer: HAIER

Chinese.

Generally, if you want to inquire about models, create your topic in the appropriate section, because it is generally Off Topic in relation to the topic of this thread, which is about the superiority of the pump over the heater and vice versa.

jonaszsz4 wrote:

From your answers it appears that Siemens will not be the best choice.

It's not that he's bad. Except hardly anyone has it. In addition, it will be difficult to find a person who uses several dryers and will choose the right one. Everyone has bought something there and there are a lot of purchase recommendations in this thread.
As for the failure rate, the dryers are getting better and better and most of the problems lie with use contrary to the instructions.
It applies to cleaning filters in accordance with the recommendations of the manual, as well as intelligent selection of the load. It happens that one Chinese plastic sweater will destroy the filter and contribute to permanent damage to the efficiency of the exchanger.
In the indicated Siemens, the manufacturer does not describe the automatic exchanger cleaning system. At first glance, the filters look like AutoClean from Bosch. This is definitely a good automatic cleaning system. However, the recommendation to vacuum the exchanger is puzzling to me, because in the AutoClean system the exchanger is always wet.

I, in turn, can say that I have recommended my electrolux to over 10 people within 4 years. More than 10 of the same dryers over several years. No one has ever let anyone down. And let me add that most of them are intensively used all year round. However, each of us installed an additional filter on the exchanger, I think that the clogging of the exchanger will be very delayed or it will not happen at all because something else will break down. Nevertheless, my electrolux does not dry any worse than it was when it was new, as I wrote, it works 7-10 times a week. And there are marathons with 5 dryings in a row. I also have a dog that sheds its fur plus its lair is always washed and dried once a week ... so somehow it all works well ... the exchanger itself only cleans once a month

And I have two, one exhaust, consumption is now 7 kg, about 2.5 kWh and the new one with a pump is the cheapest indesit model I bought for PLN 1400, consumption of 1.6 kWh for the same charge, of course, measurements are made after testing a few dryings and choosing the most sensible option because, as we know, you can dry differently, and so the first dries 110 minutes, the second 180 minutes and it is not true that the pump does not heat up the clothes much, what can I say, unfortunately, the dryer with the pump releases some moisture on the apartment (such a specificity).
My exhaust has no electronics (only such a model was) and if I get bored, I will put on an additional thermostat controlled by the air temperature at the outlet to sometimes turn off one heater at the end of drying, I think it can save 0.2-0.3kWh, although anyway clothes do not shrink.
I have an exhaust dryer for a long time and I know that it will stay with us until the knock of the lottery tickets , I gave PLN 800 for her and unfortunately I see that she handles clothes better than the new one (one hour dries less and has a better profiled door and the front partition on the inside), well, if I did not have an old one, I would love a new one :)

A colleague writes about Siemens with a pump, I watched it and somehow it does not appeal to me, I chose a fairly proven solution when it comes to filters because I have two and I can see that it is a good choice (it is about leaks in the filter housing). auto clean is a failure.

However, I have a Siemens iQ300 washing machine on an inverter and I am very happy.

SAWEK101 wrote:

what else can I say, unfortunately, the pump dryer releases some moisture on the apartment (such a specificity).

Something seems to be wrong. After all, it's like a nofrost fridge.

SAWEK101 wrote:

auto clean is a failure.

Why does my friend think so? any service experiences? It is on the market for about 2 years, and I have one and a half years.

That is why the Electrolux fortresses are one of the most delicate dryers. For me, the laundry is never hot, at any stage of drying. Well, maybe it can heat up on cotton, but I practically do not use this program.

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I think the more expensive models of work dryers take even less. I would go with the bags with so many dryings. 2.5 kWh is a lot

2.5kWh is a lot? let alone when someone pays PLN 2,500 for a dryer.

My pump dryer also has the option of drying at a lower temperature, but what if it takes even longer.
Each condenser dryer produces a little steam for an apartment, that's the way it is and this is not a disadvantage, none of them is perfectly tight and the steam escapes, you can sometimes see it near the water tank.

Dorilll wrote:

2.5 kWh is a lot

Then maybe do not wash and dry, PLN 2.12 kitkata wafers are more expensive.

Strumien swiadomosc... wrote:

Then maybe do not wash and dry, 2.12 PLN kitkata wafers are more expensive.

Stupid comment ... And you eat 300-400 kitkats a year?

SAWEK101 wrote:

2.5kWh is a lot? let alone when someone pays PLN 2,500 for a dryer.

Exactly, an estimated PLN 600 difference and the question of how many years will a heat pump dryer fail. And you will have to buy another one.

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dprzyb wrote:

Stupid comment ... And you eat 300-400 kitkats a year?

A colleague dries 400 times a year?

So, for example, I have 400 dryings a year, calmly if not more ... often 10 dryings a week And that would give 25 kWh a week and 100 a month.

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Gentlemen, here are washing clothes occasionally from this, so even if the dryer took 5kwh, the difference in the bills would not be

@Dorilll Are you a household appliances trader? Do you sell the dryers you write about?
26% of entries in household appliances what to buy.
71% in household appliances users.
Plus, this account looks like a second @Borutka account

And I am not, although I probably could be, because somewhere I persuaded 15 people to use the dryer ... ;)

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I have almost 4 years of my elux and with the amount of drying she made, I can already say something about the failure rate

I guess there is no need to assume that it is about to break.
You drag this mythology endlessly, and the longest are those that haven't broken down on them. The device is simply susceptible to operating errors, and that's about it. Just like an automatic gearbox in a car. I donated my four-year-old hair dryer to my family. Clean and able-bodied. She will die if they torture her themselves.
There is only one advantage of a traditional dryer ... you can only spoil it with a hammer.
Whoever buys a pump dryer once, even if he has lost a week after the warranty, is unlikely to return to the traditional one.

freebsd wrote:

Plus, this account looks like a second @Borutka account

For a friend, 2/3 of the posts are honorable "other". But I am not inquiring.

You know what, I have both, and somehow air drought more often because it is faster and less handling.
But I wanted to say here that I can see what condensation temperatures torture the compressor in each dryer and it does not bode its longevity, and if someone does not care and kills the exchangers after 2-3 years, the massacre is going on there also a lot depends on the user, after 3 years rather, a compulsory demolition into small pieces and treating everything with a washcloth, if someone is able to do it himself, he will somehow benefit from it, but if he is to pay PLN 300-400, the whole economy is already in the head.

I checked how much electricity used by a washing machine and dryer costs me in 2015: https://jackiewiczowie.blogspot.com/2015/01/zuzycie-pradu-przez-suszarke-do-ubran-i.html
(I already put it on the electrode)

I also checked now, too the last few months . Different washing machine but same dryer: https://youtu.be/GW1y390Q1eo
(I bought the washing machine in accordance with the tips in the following thread: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3629334-30.html#18301397)


And today's article on this topic, because the cost of the device also includes:
- The cost of its purchase.
- Our time is devoted to the purchase and service: daily and periodic.
- Consumables and energy.
https://zielona.interia.pl/eko-technologie/news-d Why-sprzet-tak- Szybko-sie-psuje-planowane-postarzanie-t,nId,5793931

I measured the temperature of drying clothes in a condenser dryer with an infrared camera WITHOUT a heat pump.
I took this measurement in my dryer, which I have been using for years and I have no problem with shrinking clothes from temperature - as some in this thread insinuate.
My dryer: https://jackiewiczowie.blogspot.com/2014/04/suszarka-kondensacyjna-do-ubran-jaka.html
Measurement with a thermal imaging camera:

freebsd wrote:

I measured it with a thermal imager

I wouldn't cling to this temperature and I never thought it was the biggest problem, although the temperature can be high. Anyway, comparing the housing temperature gives food for thought, and many dryers can heat a small room.
The important thing is that the dried fabric from the pump dryer has a different consistency and smells more intensely. And this is due to a completely different technology
getting rid of moisture from the fabric.

Borutka wrote:

The important thing is that the dried fabric from the pump dryer has a different consistency and smells more intensely. And this is due to a completely different technology
getting rid of moisture from the fabric.

Each dryer condenses the moisture and it drains it into the tank with or without the heat pump.

Borutka wrote:

The important thing is that the dried fabric from the pump dryer has a different consistency and smells more intensely. And this is due to a completely different technology
getting rid of moisture from the fabric.

This is what the seller praises. This is marketing gibberish to fool the customer when there are no reliable arguments
The heat pump dryer and the "classic" dryer work exactly the same - they are condenser dryers.