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Bosch Condenser Tumble Dryer: Comparing WTW85460PL Heat Pump Model and Conventional Options

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  • #151 16775232
    levy^
    Level 17  
    E5E - Communication error between the inverter
    and the main electronic system
    control.

    Since the error can be read, the main module is working. It is enough to repair the inverter, probably the inverter powering the inverter has fallen.

    I had a similar situation at the customer after overvoltage in the network, but in the refrigerator. The new compressor 3500 (Bosch has only prices) - the inverter cannot be purchased separately. We managed to revive and works to this day.

    But ...... everything else can be because I don't have it in front of my eyes
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  • #152 16777477
    Jericho24
    Level 20  
    Stansil wrote:
    Total 1,200 for the repair.
    I would already buy an ordinary Bosch stimulant for PLN 500-800 with a warranty of up to 1 year and I would have a difference on any additional electricity surcharges and be happy with the good and faster operation of the device.
  • #153 16800849
    achoris
    Level 1  
    I warmly welcome,
    I looked through the entire thread - probably the best source of knowledge about dryers on the entire web :)
    that's why I have 2 questions:
    1) what about the destruction / shrinkage / "pilling" of clothes in condenser dryers? destroys more or not?
    2) are there dryers that can be used to "air" clothes intended for dry cleaning? I mean removing odors from clothes hanging long in the wardrobe? Will condensing allow it or a pump needed? or maybe none of it can?

    thank you very much for help!
    best regards,
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  • #154 16801642
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #155 16809086
    adamrex
    Level 14  
    Hello

    Is there any damage warning program within the heat pump in the dryers?
    What type of gas is used in the heat pump circuit?
    Gas refilling is probably not provided by the company?
  • #156 16809277
    levy^
    Level 17  
    adamrex wrote:
    Hello

    Is there any damage warning program within the heat pump in the dryers?
    What type of gas is used in the heat pump circuit?
    Gas refilling is probably not provided by the company?


    R134A

    Officially, it can not be filled because this gas is out of use and few companies are legally prepared for trading this substance. In short, it does not pay off.

    But for those who want it, nothing is difficult
  • #157 16810788
    adamrex
    Level 14  
    R134A was probably used in cars for air conditioning in the past. Interesting because this gas must not be used anymore, and here it is used.
  • #158 16812892
    Arbiter
    Level 15  
    Most cars have R134A. From 01/01/2017, newly registered cars must have r1234yf. R134A can be used in existing cars without any problems.

    You must have an authorization (F-gases) to service appliances with refrigerant gases.
    You can no longer buy gases on the market without permits. These gases are currently "strictly accounted", i.e. you can only buy from a company and you must declare the f-gas certificate number. The seller writes down how much he sold to whom and everyone who buys must also write down how much he has paid to whom (register of purchases + gas outflow)

    The times when you could cheat gas on the Alegro and buy something for yourself are over
  • #159 16816973
    robciu26
    Level 9  
    Hello,
    I am in the process of choosing a dryer and I am really hesitating between the three models, whether any of you have dealt with the following models.
    In general, I was determined to buy the BEKO DPY 8506 GXB1 - a reasonable price-quality ratio and the possessed functions as well as drying efficiency in class A (Bosch dryer is B).
    On the forum I read that the cleanliness of the exchanger is very important, so that the dryer does not lose its efficiency - Bosch has the only automatic exchanger cleaning system.
    My question is whether to buy a BEKO DPY 8506 GXB1 dryer (cost about 540E) with better parameters and cheaper or maybe a BOSCH WTW855R9IT dryer (cost about 630E) with a steam function and an aromatically cleaning exchanger?
    Am I able to clean the Beko exchanger myself so that the dryer does not lose its efficiency?
  • #160 16821189
    Sankofa
    Level 2  
    Hello, I am looking for a clothes dryer, I have a dilemma which to choose, i.e. ordinary condensing or heat pump. I have quite a lot of humidity in my apartment in winter, the windows are often wet, which is due to the hanging laundry in the room. That is why I am interested in the operation of both dryers, if the one with a pump draws heat from the room, I understand that it could also help with moisture, but I read that the ordinary condenser emits a lot of heat and causes moisture. Do I understand correctly? Which dryer would be a better choice?

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    I would like to add that the dryer would be in the bathroom, which unfortunately has no window. So is the dryer a good idea at all? I would not like to make the problem with moisture even worse: ..
  • #161 16821234
    yanes
    Level 32  
    Neither with the pump, nor with the condensing one, I did not notice increased humidity, only the latter gives "free" heat. Anyway, in these dryers there is no possibility for the moisture from the laundry to be blown outside, everything is lost on the condenser.
  • #162 16821420
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #163 16821967
    marecki_78
    Level 11  
    marecki_78 wrote:
    Hello,

    Thank you very much for this thread - he made me quite aware and as he plans to buy a dryer, I have a question as below.

    Family of 2 adults with +3 children, the room has 2x2m (no windows), has ventilation, and you can easily connect it there if necessary.

    I think about such ventilation :
    1) Indesit IDV 75 EU - 850 PLN - is on the indesita website
    2) INDESIT IDC 75B EU -1100 PLN - this is not on the indesita website
    It looks like 2) this is the NEWER (?) Or older successor from point 1), does anyone know something?

    3) Amica WTA14305W 7KG (only 12 months warranty, it is only on the Allegro) - PLN 700 - I do not know if it is worth ... anyone knows something?

    and such a condensation:

    1) BOSCH WTN86201PL or BOSCH WTN86200PL - ~ PLN 1,500-1600 - a bit quieter (by 3-4 dB than # 1 and # 2) and has a start delay (between 1 and 5 a.m. electricity for 55% of the price, and all Sunday)


    I tend to # 1 or # 2 + buy a 5-year warranty.

    What do you say ? Thanks for the answers.


    I bought an exhaust air:
    1) Indesit IDV 75 EU - PLN 830

    Done 4 drys

    Well, the workmanship is only good, but it dries very well! 7 kg in 90 minutes - everything is really soft and most of it is not wrinkled.
    But you know when you put on 4 kg it will be even better.

    There is no delayed start option and no automatic device detecting whether the laundry is dry are probably the only disadvantages

    Of course, connected to the ventilation ... in a 3.5 m room you do not feel that it is working.

    If you have any questions, write to us.
  • #164 16822093
    tufus
    Level 14  
    Hello,
    I am also at the stage of buying a dryer, I am more for a heat pump dryer, it is about saving electricity bills and the drying temperature in a heat pump dryer is lower than in dryers without a pump. I don't know which model to choose:

    1. Bosch WTY87783EN HomeProfessional
    2. Samsung DV90M6200CW
    3. BEKO DPY8506GXB1

    The sister has a Bosch model WTY88731 and works 6 years without breakdown. I don't know about Samsung and Beko?
  • #165 16822578
    Sankofa
    Level 2  
    my41s wrote:
    Sankofa wrote:
    I would like to add that the dryer would be in the bathroom, which unfortunately has no window. So is the dryer a good idea at all?

    Do you have any fan? It should help a bit, but you still have a problem with ventilation since your windows are steaming up. Do you air the rooms?
    If you dry it in a tumble dryer, the moisture in your clothes will not be in the air. However, even drying laundry "on a string" in a room should not cause the windows to fog up in a properly ventilated room.

    You have the answer regarding the dryer above.

    I have a dryer in the bathroom and no moisture.

    The fan is in the bathroom and I have moisture all over the apartment, it is not due to the evaporation of the glass but the running water. I try to ventilate the apartment as often as possible, but there is definitely a problem with the ventilation.
    But that's not the point, I was interested in whether the dryer would worsen the problem and I conclude that it might even help a little ?
    There is a choice with or without a pump.
    Thank you for the answers, best regards [
  • #166 16823160
    Will Nottellyou
    Level 11  
    Sankofa wrote:
    my41s wrote:
    Sankofa wrote:
    I would like to add that the dryer would be in the bathroom, which unfortunately has no window. So is the dryer a good idea at all?

    Do you have any fan? It should help a bit, but you still have a problem with ventilation since your windows are steaming up. Do you air the rooms?
    If you dry it in a tumble dryer, the moisture in your clothes will not be in the air. However, even drying laundry "on a string" in a room should not cause the windows to fog up in a properly ventilated room.

    You have the answer regarding the dryer above.

    I have a dryer in the bathroom and no moisture.

    The fan is in the bathroom and I have moisture all over the apartment, it is not due to the evaporation of the glass but the running water. I try to ventilate the apartment as often as possible, but there is definitely a problem with the ventilation.
    But that's not the point, I was interested in whether the dryer would worsen the problem and I conclude that it might even help a little ?
    There is a choice with or without a pump.
    Thank you for the answers, best regards [


    Hi,

    If you have a severe moisture problem then I would suggest finding the source first. Somewhere something is probably leaking, if I had to guess, maybe the roof, gutters, maybe some pipes, or maybe you just cook / dry laundry on radiators - the last two things, with poor ventilation or no ventilation, are the worst, but also the easiest to fix. If you have plastic windows, make sure they have the ventilation flaps open - unless you have older plastics, then slightly open it. In the old days plastics were advertised as airtight and it was emphasized as an advantage, but this advantage is not because you turn the apartment into a closed jar without air exchange.

    A lift over the stove also helps, but not one with a filter that is supposed to magically purify the air and release it back into the room, only one that draws the air outside.

    ok, now about dryers. I lived happily for many years and I never really bothered hanging things outside. I had a washing machine there, a hotpoint aquarius dryer and it was ok in total, but after 6 years it fell - it was a condenser dryer and during drying the water condensed and was pumped out to the drain, and a certain amount of heat and moisture was given to the room, we bought indesit, also a washing machine dryer, mainly due to lack of space, the appliance was nice by the way and matched the rest of the kitchen equipment. as a washing machine it worked so-so, as a washer dryer it was tragic, and as a dryer it was even worse. after which drying it started to give out such a chemically foul stench that it was impossible to endure. we have only used this as a washing machine since then. after less than a year, the driver went crazy, and the washing machine was full of water in 3/4 of the drum's capacity and ... well, the tiny handle that blocks the door from opening turned out to be too weak for that amount of water. flooded kitchens, corridors, stairs, etc. drying took a few weeks. It cured me for the rest of my life with indesita, and since then I have been looking for something for a couple for the closing method and the material from which the hinges and locks are made. The washer / dryer concept is ok, but it has to be something really well designed and built.

    Some time ago she bought a Miele dryer with the T1 series (condensing with a heat pump and a moisture sensor) and after using it several times (there was not only a LOL dryer) I was really impressed - this device really works. and is very economical to use (grade A ++). I ended up buying a slightly higher model from the T1 series and sometimes I wonder how I could live without it. clothes are always dry, nothing has broken (ok, the contents of the account definitely at the beginning), everything smells good, it's not rumpled or damaged and I don't have to wonder what the weather will be like before I do the washing. the dryer lives in a storage space under the stairs, does not give up any moisture or heat to the air. The filter is removed and cleaned very easily, it can be connected to the sewage system and it is not necessary to empty the water container. it's a bit loud, but I can live with it. I thought about it Beko, but somehow I didn't want to experiment. Beko have a lot of positive opinions and I think that due to the price they are much more popular than Miele. We will see how much it comes from - ex has been going non-stop for almost two years, so I think there will be no problems for some time ...

    Write down how the fight against moisture is going :)

    Greetings
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  • #167 16823285
    Sankofa
    Level 2  
    I hang the laundry on the dryer, in the summer I put it on the balcony, very rarely on the radiator, only if it needs something already. :) I cook as standard, i.e. dinner once a day, and when it comes to the hood I have one that blows outside. As for ventilation, there is only one small fan in the bathroom, which is poorly suited to even one room. The windows are rather old and we have already unsealed them but nothing helped here. The problem is clearly elsewhere ?
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  • #168 16833469
    flylapa
    Level 1  
    marecki_78 wrote:


    I bought an exhaust air:
    1) Indesit IDV 75 EU - PLN 830



    Hi

    I am also going to buy this model - because it is probably the only exhaust air dryer available on our market ...
    marecki_78 does she have a spiral outlet on the side or only on the back wall? I can't find information about it anywhere.
    In addition, I plan to connect it to the ventilation grille in the kitchen in a 10-story block from the '70s.

    Thanks for the information!
  • #169 16833520
    marecki_78
    Level 11  
    Hi,
    The exit to the tube is only at the rear in the lower right corner (viewed from the rear), the tube is approximately 2 m long. See photo.

    best regards
  • #170 16834673
    barti44
    Level 9  
    Gentlemen, gentle OT, but it concerns the dryer that has been replaced many times here, so let me ask a question here - if after a year of using the BOSCH WTG86400 dryer today, strange sounds began to be heard, then start undressing or servicing?

    Maybe someone has similar passages - the sound as if something was between the drum and the wall of the device, you can hear a metallic sound as I slowly rotate the said drum.

    Bearing?
  • #171 16834726
    baconp
    Level 14  
    I bought it without a heat pump. Bosch model WTG86400PL (electrode thread). If you want to calculate energy costs based on what the manufacturer says, it will be difficult because the drying time is matched to the moisture level of the clothes. Currently, I get 10 PLN more on the electricity bill - the dryer is 4x a month. From practice, it did not work for more than an hour.
    If someone wants to insert a small bathroom without a heat pump, I do not recommend it. My original idea was to put the dryer on the washing machine in a small 2mx2m bathroom. Unfortunately, the sides of the dryer heat up to about 60 degrees, the top is cool. For me, it is currently 3mx3m in the kitchen and it is very warm with the heaters turned off. The manual says that they work effectively when it sucks in cooler air. In general, I do not regret the shaker, it saves time, collects dust from clothes and half of it does not need to be ironed. As for the model without a heat pump, it will turn out after many years. The downside is the touch panel, this start must be skillfully pressed / touched for 1.5 seconds. In the phone, the sensitivity is more precise. However, I prefer home appliances on buttons.

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    barti44 wrote:
    Gentlemen, gentle OT, but it concerns the dryer that has been replaced many times here, so let me ask a question here - if after a year of using the BOSCH WTG86400 dryer today, strange sounds began to be heard, then start undressing or servicing?

    Maybe someone has similar passages - the sound as if something was between the drum and the wall of the device, you can hear a metallic sound as I slowly rotate the said drum.

    Bearing?


    If it's under warranty, why take it apart? I would call the service.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    flylapa wrote:
    marecki_78 wrote:


    I bought an exhaust air:
    1) Indesit IDV 75 EU - PLN 830




    In addition, I plan to connect it to the ventilation grille in the kitchen in a 10-story block from the '70s.

    Thanks for the information!


    Ask the cooperative, they told me not to pump air from the hood to the ventilation which is gravitational (I also have a block from the 70s)
  • #172 16839962
    espe
    Level 10  
    Hello,
    I am freshly bought the Siemens WT45W561PL dryer. I regret that I missed this thread earlier, because as I can see all the inventions of the heat pump type, self-cleaning condensers have not only advantages, as marketers provide. Well, it's new for now, under warranty, let's hope it will last as long as possible. However, I have a specific question (though not only about this particular model, I think). In the manual, the manufacturer guides the user step by step through the option of draining the condensed water using a hose to the drain, pointing to the removal of the filter from the water container and putting it (along with the rubber stopper) into a special recess in the container (but it is simply a recess). , the filter is there and is not used for filtration). Elsewhere in the manual, the manufacturer claims that the heat exchanger is rinsed with this water (the magic self-cleaning condenser) and for this reason it is absolutely crucial to use the filter and clean it. And I'm stupid because in my opinion he contradicts himself - there is no explanation of it anywhere, since the filter is removed, water to the hose, how is the exchanger cleaning done? The same water (some part of it) but with fluff? The construction of the condensation water container and the marketing pictures indicate a kind of closed circulation of this water, which cleans the exchanger along the way. When the rubber cap is removed, the water flies into the hose, what is the exchanger cleaned with? Can anyone help? I searched the internet and nothing, the only benefit is finding this thread.
  • #174 16850048
    axpl
    Level 17  
    Maybe I'll write something :)

    I set up this topic in October 2014 as I was pre-selected as in the topic, the choice fell on a model with a pump, namely BOSCH WTW85460. And after these years, I can say that it was a very good decision :)

    Only today, when I was cleaning the mesh filters, I noticed that the cooler is dirty with lint and the flushing system cannot clean it, how can you get there to clean it? Anyone have experience with this?
  • #175 16850086
    yanes
    Level 32  
    You need to buy a service cover and we have access from the front, and after unscrewing the right side, unscrew the water pump. The dryer is taken to the field (for the rest outside), first rinse with a gentle stream of water from the front and then through a thin hose, insert it from the pump side into the condenser container, do it carefully so as not to damage the fins. Tilt the dryer to the left and a little forward, rinse it under low pressure and take turns. I did it myself in my old Bosch, bought used but it did not work because I had a clean there, some lint fell out. I also bought a new one with a Siemens pump and I stripped the old one down, it was clean everywhere. The dryer does not work, displays error F09 and probably either some thermistor or programmer is damaged. Despite this, I am also happy with the current one and recommend it with the pump because it is noticeably cheaper.
  • #176 16850094
    axpl
    Level 17  
    I mean, it works without a problem, no error, the pump works. I asked about the possibility of flushing the radiator not from the inside, but from the outside.
  • #179 16850165
    yanes
    Level 32  
    On the front left side there is a flap, you open it and a hole for cleaning the exchanger is blinded at the factory. You cut with a knife as it is marked and you have access to this exchanger. After rinsing, you twist the one that was cut out with the flap you bought. Everything fits because it is a factory solution, from now on you can rinse the exchanger yourself from time to time. I will add that I tried to open this hatch in a new dryer but it does not go and is completely with holes for the fan. In the old Bosch, the left side opens with a latch and we have access to the place where you need to cut. This is the final solution, as long as it works, I would not do anything but take care of cleanliness when removing these filters on the lint.
  • #180 16850218
    axpl
    Level 17  
    Bosch Condenser Tumble Dryer: Comparing WTW85460PL Heat Pump Model and Conventional Options

    I do not have such a flap in the front. There is only this grill with holes for the fan.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the comparison between Bosch's heat pump dryer model WTW85460PL and conventional condensing dryers. Users express concerns about the reliability and maintenance of heat pump dryers, citing high repair costs and potential breakdowns. Many recommend traditional condensing dryers for their simplicity and lower failure rates. The Bosch WTG86400PL is frequently mentioned as a reliable alternative. Users highlight the importance of energy efficiency, drying quality, and the impact of drying temperatures on clothing longevity. The conversation also touches on the practicality of self-cleaning condensers and the overall user experience with various brands and models.
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